on another thread ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/86931/2.ashx ) i saw these comments:.
think again, the kingdom halls are paid for by the local witnesses, and when its paid off, its donated back to the wt society, what an elaborate scheme!!!
when the construction is finished the congo finally has it's own kh, right?
So effectively it is the borg which controls the property. And my expectation is they may try to get even more control for fear of whole-congregation apostasy.
Pole - I think that is a good point. Although the assetts remain in control of the locals - it is always the international organization that will ultimately 'profit', and whole congregation apostasy is a real threat.
Wouldn't it be nice if it was a HUGE threat - now that would be interesting.
Jeff
apostate literature - i have read the lot.
you name it - c of c, gentile times reconsidered, thirty tears a watchtower slave, the orwellian world of jehovah's witness, apocalypse delayed, and the freeminds and watchtower observer sites, so on and so on.
and i have been reading the posts on this site regularly pretty much since it started, and hourglass before it.
The indoctrination runs very deep - it took me years after having doubts to even investigate those doubts.
I do think some cannot make themselves leave no matter what the evidence suggests.
It is tough on us to turn our world upside down -
Thoughts are with you my digital friend
Jeff
in recent years, some witnesses in former soviet territory got their names in the papers.
for supposedly trying to bribe officials to stop harassing them.
in response, the watchtower.
Corporate campuses such as Microsoft and Motorola would have done the same thing.
I don't know catchthis - I never heard of such a thing - besides Motorola and Microsoft would bring jobs and taxes to the community - the Patterson facilty brought it's own help with no money to spend in the community, no taxes to pay, no jobs to benefit the community -
I think the comparison is weak.
Jeff
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i don't talk about my family very much on here, but today i feel i have to, because today after all the years of pushing, finally there is a result.. thanks to life & the universe and everyone on jwd, who by simply existing have helped in a way that i don't know how to write.. today is the day my mom stopped going to meetings.. i won't go into loads of detail at this point because it's very involved, but it's done.
my dad is an elder and is still going, but my mom is out now.. thanks
dh -
Ditto the above about the need for support - it will by much harder on her - I am assuming she is in her 40's or older - most of us have a harder time as we age coping with the issues that will arise - and without a social base by that age - hers just disintegrated - it will hit like a ton soon - be there for her.... good luck
Jeff
i?m sure most of you have seen some coverage about the murder/suicide by a member of the evangelical church called the living church of god.
the church was founded in the mid-1990?s when it split from herbert w. armstrong?s worldwide church of god.
the living church observes the sabbath on saturday along with other old testament rituals.
And the Meza family in South Carolina
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i don't talk about my family very much on here, but today i feel i have to, because today after all the years of pushing, finally there is a result.. thanks to life & the universe and everyone on jwd, who by simply existing have helped in a way that i don't know how to write.. today is the day my mom stopped going to meetings.. i won't go into loads of detail at this point because it's very involved, but it's done.
my dad is an elder and is still going, but my mom is out now.. thanks
dh -
Don't know your full story - but congrats on getting her to see the 'light' of the real truth about the 'truth'
Jeff
is the nwt going to paperback?
anybody hear this?an ebay seller made the claim.. i noticed that the paper in the publications is so thin its see through and the new books are paperback.. http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=378&item=4534557826&rd=1.
pagan
Don't know why it highlights like that - sorry
Jeff
is the nwt going to paperback?
anybody hear this?an ebay seller made the claim.. i noticed that the paper in the publications is so thin its see through and the new books are paperback.. http://http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&category=378&item=4534557826&rd=1.
pagan
The system they use is 'perfect-bound' I believe for the paper back style. It is a one-step process that eliminates a ton of labor to get it finished. Wifey was in the printing business.
I think they will retain at least some leather and case bound Bibles for a while. They don't want to look too chinzy! But maybe the 'service offer' Bibles will go to perfect bound - that would make sense i think. Most of the Bible houses offer a gift Bible that is little more than a paper back. You can buy them in bulk thru one of the catalogs I get for about 3 bucks a pop or less. Maybe the Society should just have the pubs buy them thru the Christian Book Store - then they would not have to print the NWT [Never Was Translated] anymore. LOL
Just my opinion
Jeff
just got a visit from 2 old friends.
we talked about fun things we'd been doing lately and then they told me the reason they stopped by was to invite me to the memorial.
i was completely silent and non-committal.
On the other hand - if one believes that Christ wants us to take this 'communion' bread and wine on occasion with other Christians - and of course recognizing that Jw's do not have the 1914 date correct [or any others for that matter] - It would seem proper to continue 'memorializing' as he taught until we know he has actually 'arrived' - wouldn't it?
I have been thinking of this matter - and I think wifey and I will have our own Lord's Supper sometime in the next month or so [I don't think the date is critical at this point like I once did] - and we will be 'partakers' for the first time.
To not 'partake' I think shows disrepute and rejection of the sacrifice - thoughts?
Jeff
i'm aware of ed dunlap from coc - but who else of the upper echelon?
Brian Cole was a Circuit Overseer
Tom Cabeen and Randy Waters both were Bethel elders I think
Ron Frye was a Circuit Overseer
